17:57:39 david_foster {public msg} david is here
17:57:55 Moderator {public msg} Welcome. The chat will begin in a
few
minutes. WE're still getting everything together.
17:57:56 skip_robinson {public msg} i'm here.
17:58:31 Moderator {public msg} Welcome to tonight's chat.
17:58:51 Bajele {question presented} How much freedom are you given to
"tweek" things as you edit. Is there a method you follow?
18:00:10 david_foster {public msg} sorry for the delay...
18:00:32 david_foster {public msg} some freedom, however john and joe have
the final say as to what is on the screen.
18:01:08 Bajele {question presented} How much of the editing process takes
place in your mind beforehand and how much takes place at the computer as you
work?
18:01:31 skip_robinson {public msg} 99%
18:02:02 Moderator {action} which is the 99%?
18:02:20 skip_robinson {public msg} I do all the cutting in my head, and
the
changes in the computer
18:03:05 Moderator {action} david do you work the same?
18:04:01 david_foster {public msg} pretty much the same, although probably
less in my head t...maybe 70%
18:04:17 mfarah {question presented} Do you edit an episode by yourselves
or
do you work as in team?
18:04:17 skip_robinson {public msg} I have a bigger head!
18:04:34 david_foster {public msg} i've been meaning to talk to you about
thata
skip!
18:04:51 skip_robinson {public msg} by myself and usually bounce things
off
the editing assistants
18:05:31 skip_robinson {public msg} of course, we work with the director
and
producers after my cut is finished
18:05:31 Reschell {question presented} Which is trickier to trim for time
-- a
scene with actors or a cgi space scene?
18:05:51 skip_robinson {public msg} trickier to time for actors
18:05:54 skip_robinson {public msg} because
18:06:04 skip_robinson {public msg} sometimes performances are different
18:06:13 skip_robinson {public msg} cgi I can visualize
18:06:50 Reschell {question presented} What do the editing assistants
actually
do, since it's hard to have more than one on a computer at a time?
18:07:05 skip_robinson {public msg} they paly games
18:07:08 skip_robinson {public msg} play
18:07:18 skip_robinson {public msg} they talk on the phone
18:07:23 skip_robinson {public msg} they make dubs
18:07:30 skip_robinson {public msg} they type slates
18:07:39 skip_robinson {public msg} pull sound effects
18:08:24 david_foster {public msg} eat lunch...etc....actually they are
very
helpful with organizing the script, digitizing shots..
18:08:26 Happycaveman {question presented} What kinds of equipment do u
use? I have used a Quantel Edit Box. Is it better? Similar?
18:08:47 skip_robinson {public msg} avid in use here
18:09:05 skip_robinson {public msg} Edit box is not as versatile
18:09:30 skip_robinson {public msg} with a show like B5 you need all the
tricks
you can get
18:09:54 david_foster {public msg} we offline on the avid, online to
digibeta
using an axial edit controller...
18:10:19 Moderator {action} that sounds like gibberish to me.
18:10:42 Moderator {action}
18:10:55 Bajele {question presented} you mentioned dubs and
slates....could
you please explain a little more about that?
18:11:32 skip_robinson {public msg} dubs are running off copies of shows
and
CGI approvals for the producers
18:11:42 skip_robinson {public msg} usually on VHS
18:11:52 david_foster {public msg} slates are text messages put on the
screen in
place of cgi (before cgi is delivered)
18:12:27 Reschell {question presented} "Type slates" -- sounds
r-e-a-l-l-y hard
on typewriters (visions of Neanderthals whacking away at slabs of rock).
What does one do to
type a slate?
18:13:05 skip_robinson {public msg} a titling tool inside the computer,
much
like you are typing right now!
18:13:29 Bruckner {question presented} How many episodes are you working
on at one time?
18:14:06 skip_robinson {public msg} it varies, 1-2-3 depending on when all
the
CGI comes in.
18:14:24 VorlonSega {question presented} How long do you need to edit an
episode?
18:15:14 david_foster {public msg} there are three editors on the
series..cutting
every thrid show
18:15:45 skip_robinson {public msg} It depends on how complicated an
episode
is. An easy ep is 9 days, a hard one is 11-13 days. MOW is
about a month.
18:15:50 skip_robinson {public msg} longer the better
18:16:12 Reschell {question presented} Editing seems, on the surface, to
be a
strictly visual process. But are you aware of using other senses, such as
rhythm, or a musical
"flow"?
18:16:52 david_foster {public msg} yes this always comes in to play...of
course
it depends on the scene...
18:16:55 skip_robinson {public msg} yes, you always have to consider where
the music will be.
18:17:00 skip_robinson {public msg} the mood of the scene
18:17:11 skip_robinson {public msg} and how you want the viewer to feel
18:17:26 skip_robinson {public msg} and I feel like having a beer
18:17:49 david_foster {public msg} care to share skip?
18:17:55 Moderator {action} now remember to share
18:18:03 VorlonSega {question presented} Do you also edit in the Music?
18:18:13 david_foster {public msg} temp music yes
18:18:16 skip_robinson {public msg} temporary music
18:18:33 skip_robinson {public msg} some directors will put in more music
than
others
18:18:37 david_foster {public msg} sometimes, the music is close to what
will
be written for a scene
18:18:54 skip_robinson {public msg} we also add sound efx
18:19:09 skip_robinson {public msg} david has a LARGE library of efx
18:19:12 david_foster {public msg} and i share!
18:19:19 skip_robinson {public msg} NOT!
18:19:22 david_foster {public msg} so!
18:19:33 Moderator {action} By the Way, MOW means movie ofthe week
18:19:47 Reschell {question presented} Is there any particular kind of
script
where you know from the outset that you're going to be banging your head(s)
against the console
(but that you know you'll be really proud of once it's finished?
18:20:31 david_foster {public msg} not enough coverage is always a
challenge
18:20:40 skip_robinson {public msg} yes, it depends upon the
director. you
never really know from the script.
18:21:07 david_foster {public msg} coverage is when you go in for the
closeups, etc.
18:21:16 Satai_Leo {question presented} On average...how many different
shots
do you have of every scene?
18:21:32 david_foster {public msg} if you don't have good coverage, or not
enough..it makes it much harder to cut
18:21:57 skip_robinson {public msg} again, it depends upon the director
and
action of the scene.
18:22:06 david_foster {public msg} 1 to 50 (skip says 75)...
18:22:17 skip_robinson {public msg} ha!
18:22:25 mfarah {question presented} What's the typical amount of footage
that's left in the editing room?
18:23:05 skip_robinson {public msg} In A Call to Arms, there was an hour
and
a half for an 8 minute scene!
18:23:21 skip_robinson {public msg} but we always keep the jokes for the
bloopers!
18:23:30 Bruckner {question presented} Whose idea was it to start the
bloopers
and how long does it take to create one reel?
18:23:54 skip_robinson {public msg} my idea!
18:24:04 david_foster {public msg} it takes all season along...and then
some
18:24:12 skip_robinson {public msg} we takes snips from each show and save
them
18:24:25 Bruckner {question presented} It seems as if Peter Jurasik has
some of
the more structured bloopers. Does he do things like the
"soft-shoe" just for the blooper reel?
18:24:30 skip_robinson {public msg} but it takes a long time to edit...but
they
are real funny!
18:24:33 david_foster {public msg} it's always a crunch to get the reel
done
before the wrap party...
18:24:53 skip_robinson {public msg} yes, Peter is the best blooper-giver
18:25:00 skip_robinson {public msg} Jerry is great too!
18:25:11 david_foster {public msg} ...but it's worth it...the cast really
enjoys it
(provided there not on screen too often)
18:25:23 K57 {question presented} Who edit's the blooper reels?
18:25:28 david_foster {public msg} we all do
18:25:55 skip_robinson {public msg} we all do the bloop's - tag team
effort
'cause it takes so long
18:26:17 david_foster {public msg} actually we draw straws...
18:26:18 skip_robinson {public msg} it starts with music selection
18:26:33 skip_robinson {public msg} you can't draw!
18:26:50 david_foster {public msg} one of our assistants, john burrus is
our
music library...
18:27:22 david_foster {public msg} you don't call stick figures drawing
skip?
18:27:27 skip_robinson {public msg} Maritza, our assistant is an enormous
help
on the gag reeels
18:27:43 JoanDarc {question presented} what do you both think is probably
the
funniest thing (your own personal fav) from whichever cast members best blooper?
18:28:37 david_foster {public msg} season 4...when the Pak'Mara runs into
the
wall and bruce loses it...
18:28:43 skip_robinson {public msg} Peter with Jerry singing potatoe -
potatoe,
let's call the whole thing off!
18:28:51 david_foster {public msg} good one skip!
18:29:04 skip_robinson {public msg} thank you david
18:29:13 Bajele {question presented} Which shows have come out the way you
envisioned?
18:29:31 skip_robinson {public msg} all of them!
18:29:39 david_foster {public msg} skip?
18:29:45 skip_robinson {public msg} It's not easy to be perfect!
18:29:51 david_foster {public msg} you ok?
18:30:02 JoanDarc {question presented} How did you get the postions as
editrs
for the show (btw its truely AWESOME-the best on TV: You both deserve major
kudos/2 thumbs up for excellent work you, the cast & rest of crew do)??
18:30:06 david_foster {public msg} beer getting to your head?
18:30:44 skip_robinson {public msg} thank you for the kind words...I
started
off as a gofer, then an assistant
18:31:25 JoanDarc {question presented} how long have you both been working
in this area and have you always been interested in doing editing? :)
18:31:32 david_foster {public msg} i got a call from john copeland in
1993...i
had worked with him on and off for several years
18:31:58 skip_robinson {public msg} 12 years and yes, I've always wanted
to
be an editor
18:32:09 Happycaveman {question presented} I love editing. I was thinking
of
going to Full Sail, where did u go? and do u have any suggestions?
18:32:10 david_foster {public msg} i love editing...have been at it since
1974
(yes i'm an 'old' guy)
18:33:11 skip_robinson {public msg} I learned on the job. I started
with an avid
when it first came out as a beta tester and grew into it.
18:33:11 david_foster {public msg} get practical experience anyway you
can...
18:33:53 Reschell {question presented} When you watch a movie or another
TV
show, are you able to just go with the flow, or are you always evaluating the
editing?
18:34:10 david_foster {public msg} depends on whether it's noticeable or
not
18:34:17 skip_robinson {public msg} it depends on how bad the editing is!
18:34:22 david_foster {public msg} if it's good, i don't see it
18:34:30 skip_robinson {public msg} editiing should be seamless!
18:34:44 skip_robinson {public msg} unles you are trying to jar the viewer
18:34:48 david_foster {public msg} or at least done with invisible
staples!
18:35:01 skip_robinson {public msg} crazy glue works too
18:35:08 B5fanatic {question presented} I read the tnt spoiler about a cgi
effect
that made Jerry/Garibaldi's eyes red because *someone* forgot to erase the red
eyes he had been playing with... How often does this happen.....on purpose?
18:35:13 david_foster {public msg} sticks to your fingers though...
18:35:48 david_foster {public msg} don't know about this one...skip?
18:36:18 skip_robinson {public msg} not often, but there are other easter
eggs
(hidden things) just for fun
18:36:29 VorlonSega {question presented} Do you often edit scenes with
inside
jokes left in?
18:37:23 skip_robinson {public msg} most of the jokes the viewers will
know
18:37:29 skip_robinson {public msg} except...
18:37:48 skip_robinson {public msg} the behing the scenes jokes that only
the
cast/crew would know
18:37:58 david_foster {public msg} joe can catch anything...it won't go
out
unless he likes it
18:38:06 mfarah {question presented} YOu mention a third editor. Who
is it?
18:38:19 skip_robinson {public msg} like the one about Ivanova left B5 in
505
18:39:08 david_foster {public msg} seasons 1 thru 4 was suzy sternlicht...kathie
burr did season 5
18:39:32 skip_robinson {public msg} and suzy did River of Souls
18:39:39 Reschell {question presented} Do either of you have a personal
favorite
B5 episode as a "best of the best" for your editing?
18:40:10 skip_robinson {public msg} Mine is Intersections in Real Time
#517
18:40:17 david_foster {public msg} i really liked ep. 417 "the face
of the
enemy"....420 "endgame" is a favorite also
18:40:29 skip_robinson {public msg} Because it wasn't done how it was
written
18:40:58 skip_robinson {public msg} Intersections is #418, duh!
18:41:23 skip_robinson {public msg} My fav of Davids was 420
18:41:43 skip_robinson {public msg} hell of an editor that david
18:41:46 david_foster {public msg} in 417 all joe added for sheridan's
capture
scene was one shot...a reverse of him falling
18:42:01 david_foster {public msg} thank you skip!
18:42:17 david_foster {public msg} check's on your desk!
18:42:27 Mutai {question presented} do you remember a scene that was
particularly memoriable because it perhaps surprized even you at how well it
worked
18:42:30 skip_robinson {public msg} merci
18:43:25 skip_robinson {public msg} I think the structure of 418
"Intersections"
was cool cause it was all in one room!
18:43:34 david_foster {public msg} i really like 418...
18:43:49 mfarah {question presented} BTW... who edited _Whatever Happened
to Mr. Garibaldi?_ and why was the Garibaldi scene done that way?
18:44:17 Moderator {action} We have about 10 or 15 minures left.
18:45:01 david_foster {public msg} i did that show...if your talking about
the
scene where he goes nuts...john gave me the idea
18:45:15 david_foster {public msg} about the jump cutting...
18:45:20 Reschell {question presented} Do the editors participate in the
pre-
shoot "tone meetings?"
18:46:25 skip_robinson {public msg} not the tone meetings, we participate
in
audio spotting, online, dirt fixes
18:46:55 david_foster {public msg} color timing, sitting in on the mix...
18:46:56 skip_robinson {public msg} pre-production meetings
18:47:38 VorlonSega {question presented} You mentioned that you started as
a
gofer, is there alot of "in-house" promotion on B5?
18:47:39 skip_robinson {public msg} we do more than other episodics
editors
on any other show
18:48:05 david_foster {public msg} several people have been promoted from
within....
18:48:17 skip_robinson {public msg} not all make it
18:48:33 skip_robinson {public msg} maritza will make it
18:48:54 david_foster {public msg} the streets are littered with them!!!
18:49:06 david_foster {public msg} ...just joking
18:49:25 skip_robinson {public msg} yes she is always around
18:49:26 Bajele {question presented} Have either of you worked in the
Science
Fiction genre before?
18:49:58 david_foster {public msg} no
18:50:11 skip_robinson {public msg} no but is fun and that imagination.
18:50:42 skip_robinson {public msg} it's likeplaying space
18:50:44 Moderator {action} We only have time for one or two more
questions.
18:51:24 Reschell {question presented} If you don't edit in final music,
who
does?
18:51:46 skip_robinson {public msg} Mike Payne at EFX lays it in
18:52:06 skip_robinson {public msg} Mike was in the Comlink two weeks
ago...
18:52:59 Moderator {action} for the person who know nothing about the post
process, can you tell us what happens after production has finished the filming?
18:53:27 skip_robinson {public msg} this is a long process
18:53:51 david_foster {public msg} first coffee...ya gotta have good
coffee...and burrus makes the best!
18:53:53 skip_robinson {public msg} send copies to EFX
18:53:59 skip_robinson {public msg} read paper
18:54:04 skip_robinson {public msg} online the show
18:54:11 skip_robinson {public msg} color time
18:54:17 skip_robinson {public msg} go for lunch
18:54:21 david_foster {public msg} then the lunch decision...this is very
important
18:54:22 skip_robinson {public msg} mix
18:54:30 skip_robinson {public msg} title the show
18:54:33 skip_robinson {public msg} more beer
18:54:40 skip_robinson {public msg} dub the show
18:54:45 skip_robinson {public msg} send the show
18:54:48 skip_robinson {public msg} more beer
18:54:59 skip_robinson {public msg} sushi 101 on Wednesdays
18:55:06 david_foster {public msg} but wait...ya gotta qc the show and do
your
dirt fixes skip!
18:55:15 skip_robinson {public msg} oh that too!
18:56:14 skip_robinson {public msg} for more information on editing, call
david
at 888-555-1212
18:56:18 NTO {question presented} What the heck is a "dirt
fix"???
18:56:43 skip_robinson {public msg} david is the dirt fix king
18:56:59 david_foster {public msg} dirt sometimes gets on the negative,
either in
camera or during transfer...
18:57:42 david_foster {public msg} if it's noticeable enough...it's either
got to
be re-transferred or removed afterwards
18:57:47 skip_robinson {public msg} you see dirt in old movies
18:57:53 david_foster {public msg} we do that here in our online bay
18:58:02 Happycaveman {question presented} Thanks for your time. Its good
to
talk to someone who knows what you're talking about :)
18:58:19 skip_robinson {public msg} my son is here and needs to go home
18:58:48 Moderator {action} Thank you David and Skip for taking the time
to chat
with us tonight.
18:58:53 david_foster {public msg} i enjoyed being invited here
tonight. thank
you.
18:59:02 skip_robinson {public msg} thanks for watching B5 you guy are the
best money can buy
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